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Wednesday, February 01, 2006

stop the hate

the cutting edge of satire wades in

So the government was defeated for a second time. That should keep them on their toes. But what is much more gratifying is that the laws about incitement to religious hatred are going through, even as amended. From being decidedly ambivalent a while back, I've got to the stage, now, where I'm almost willing it on because of those against it. The arguments have, in the main, been ludicrous. They mostly seem to consist of lines like "we won't be able to critique religion any more" or “we won't be able to preach any more" or, most tiresome of all, "oh it'll stop us telling jokes".

This is a matter of covering loopholes, whereby unpleasant people get to whip up hatred against others by using religion as a proxy. If your humour or arguments involve creating hatred, then they’re pretty rubbish anyway. Alongside religious people with a persecution-fetish, a large chunk of those who're most opposed to the laws are those who just haven't come to terms with the fact that not everyone wants to be a secularist. Get over it; Atkinson, Toynbe, et al!


Blogger hatchris said...

Nicely said.
The arguments are pretty weak - I agree that if a comedian or a preacher deliberately intends to cause hatred, and as our friend mr LW would say, 'badness', it's not funny and it's not Godly!

As for 'not being able to say that Jesus is Lord' - why would you say Jesus is Lord in order to stir up hatred? Hatred and offence are two very different things.

I certaintly hope that we don't ever have laws against causing offence. That'd be daft!

7:30 PM  
Blogger Koraani pyhää paskapaperia said...

We have already burn few qurans in Finland in this weekend as a support to Denmark

Finnishe media has sensored those pictures, which they took about these burnings.

Finnische freiwillige waffen-SS

und andere Finnische men mit

Unser Fuhrer Seppo Lehto Tampere - Finnland

10:12 PM  
Blogger postliberal said...

Well hellow there, our mysterious Finnish visitor. I have to say I can’t quite understand how burning copies of the Qu’ran really supports anyone – all you’re doing there is making a brash and shallow gesture that desecrates scripture, rather than actually offering any sensible – or indeed understandable – critique.

Now the Danish cartoons in question are fairly crude. But the extra ones you link to from the bottom of your site are something else entirely – most of them are horrible and stupid, and quite self defeating. Good cartoons don’t reinforce our worst instincts and prejudices, but challenge them severely.

I should warn, in advance, anyone who goes to have a look - I've left the link up as an example of Europe's xenophobia, and it's all very unpleasent stuff.

4:06 PM  
Blogger postliberal said...

Chris –

Ahh yes, thanks for reminding me of that great Stevism “badness”! I think offence can be very Godly, and it isn’t really the main issue in my mind. What concerns me here is more a matter of what effects things might have on society at large. And if material is produced to feed prejudice and hatred, then it does need to be prosecuted in a consistent way – for race, or for religion (even if it’s often a proxy for race, as with the Griffins of this world).

4:13 PM  
Blogger Martin said...

I'm sort of glad I can't read Finnish.

7:15 PM  
Blogger postliberal said...

I don't think we need to to get the gist of what that person's about, but yeah we're spared the greater details!

12:53 AM  
Blogger John said...

In the hands of an ambitious prosecutor, could not these laws be greatly abused?

3:16 AM  

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