tag : bright yellow-green apples: one nation?

"I see little point in persisting in a discussion with one so obstinate as you" Martin White

Tuesday, October 11, 2005

one nation?

figure 89.2. least worst of a very bad bunch

What a shame. Ken Clarke is an unrepentant harbinger of the terrible 90s government. David Cameron is a Tony Blair-esc smarmer. Liam Fox is a right-wing loony like only Jon Redwood could better. David Davies seems to prefer stodgy hard line rhetoric to anything sensible. The one candidate in the Conservative Party leadership race that's even close to being anything close to reasonable, Malcolm Rifkind, has gone and bowed out due to lack of support. The Tory party are great ninnies.


Blogger Martin said...

Fancy that, you slagging off the Tories...

7:12 PM  
Blogger Martin said...

Incidentally, I don't think Cameron is really like Blair at all. But the entire right-wing press does. Not prepared to argue with them then?

7:13 PM  
Blogger postliberal said...

If you look really hard you'll see a tiny nugget of care for them in this entry, hidden away ;)

I think DC is like TB insofar as he sweeps around making empty polished rhetoric that sounds quite good as long as nothing has to actually be done about it. I suppose quite a few want him to be like their own TB, if they win by it.

How deadening. Come on Michael Hestletine, there's still time!

12:21 AM  
Anonymous Donna said...

I see there are ninnies on your side of the pond too. ;-)

1:57 AM  
Blogger ash said...

he he

I'm still placing money on us being in Iran by Christmas... I got 2:1 on Bush going in and 3:1 on us following in the new year.

4:51 PM  
Blogger Martin said...

I think you've just taken the easiest route in describing Cameron, rather than trying to think about it :p

As for your apparent love of Rifkind (which, I notice, you never expressed before he pulled out - is this a case of dead men are the greatest, I wonder?) he clearly didn't deserve to be leader on the grounds that he hasn't even been in Parliament for the past eight years...

6:09 PM  
Blogger postliberal said...

Donna -

Oh most definitely, though of a sometimes different order. We only have to see how the official opposition here is at odds with conservatives over there over aspects of the cause of Iraqi war to see how pragmatic party politics can create some off relationships. Tony Blair, sitting in the Labour Party, really has done a funny thing to put himself on the side facing against the Democratic party in the USA - supposedly the forunners of New Labour in Bill Clinton's politics!

I find it increasingly unlikely that even Donald Rumsfeld would go after Iran, dispite sharing some of Ash's cynicism. Even with such frosty international relations. It's as much because they can't afford to, as anything else.

11:56 PM  
Blogger postliberal said...

Of course I've taken the easier route - I hardly know much about him yet, but my initial impressions over the last month or two. I need to get my bearings before any accurate insults :P

hehe, I think you're right to note that I often get a sudden love for losers. But neigh, I've been rooting for him, in a manner of speaking, ever since he even announced. I was planning to commend the guy, just as he went and ran off. Do any of them deserve to be leader? Should we wish such a thing upon them?

11:59 PM  
Blogger Martin said...

"I hardly know much about him yet, but the tabloid media's initial impressions over the last month or two, which I am too lazy to challenge, so simply go with and be groundlessly dismissive"

I knew it! And I bet you thought David Davis's speeches were really boring too?

12:04 AM  
Blogger hatchris said...

If the Tories think that by having a Tony Blair esque leader in David Cameron they would therefore be as succesful as New Labour, they may be in for a shock. In case they hadn't noticed, the New Labour - Britain honeymoon kind of ended in the last few years, so if people see someone else just like Tony Blair, would they not just run a mile?
What the country needs is a ....real alternative. Step up Charlie, your hour is nigh :-p

9:00 PM  
Blogger postliberal said...

Martin -

I know what the general talk of 'the media' is, but didn't hear enough of any of the speeches to make an impression on that basis (unlike said media, which apparently hung him out because of the one speech). Unless you shadow all the candidates ceaselessly for the whole time, I'll wager you have to rely a little on what others say. Unless you're omnipotent, which is possible ;P

12:09 AM  
Blogger postliberal said...

Chris -

It would be interesting to see how a 'new', slicker, Conservative party might fare - given how instinctively hyper sensitive so many people have become about anything that might be perceived as 'spin'. But the wonky jargon has already started coming out. I suppose at least Liam Fox would let us know what he means, even if it's utter jingoism.

12:12 AM  
Blogger Martin said...

It's not omnipotence but I do try and read what they say rather than the manner in which it is reported. As I say, I just feel that a "Cameron is Blair" line is a bit lazy for a well-researched, intelligent so-and-so like yourself :-p

5:37 PM  
Blogger postliberal said...

I'm allowed to be lazy, and I'm allowed to be slighty convinced that there's a little bit of rightness on what someone else says (even when it's a cliché). But thanks for the backhanded compliment, it is indeed the best of the week.

12:40 AM  
Blogger Martin said...

Thanks, I'll add the trophy to my cabinet!

11:12 AM  
Blogger rach said...

politics politics politics politics politics politics politics politics blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

ninnies is a great word though, especially when used in conjunction with tories.

11:20 PM  
Blogger postliberal said...

"blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah"

Huray! Thanks, you've pretty much summed up my whole approach on this website! ;P Ne'er fear m'dear, the politics is off the radar for at least a week, with any luck.

12:50 AM  

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