tag : bright yellow-green apples: a bit more current affairs

"I see little point in persisting in a discussion with one so obstinate as you" Martin White

Tuesday, November 02, 2004

a bit more current affairs

figure. 4.5. in who's image?

We may know in a couple of days, we may know in weeks. Either way I feel increasinly on edge about the presidential elections in the USA. Sure John Kerry is a little turgid, and pretty rubbish at actually attacking conservative republican rubbish. But I must admit I fear a second George Bush term would be a disastor for everyone across the world. Those in the USA who say we should "butt out" of thier country miss the point; thier country affects every single one of us to some extent. God help us all.


Blogger Sarah said...

I feel sorry for the americans with such a lousy choice. Hope it all goes ok, i guess.

2:45 PM  
Blogger Martin said...

Oh, Sarah, we've got a pretty crappy choice too. Blair and Howard? Good heavens.

Yes, I'm tired of the 'butt out' line. At the end of the day, a nation with aggressive foreign policy does affect the rest of the world, whether it likes it or not. And those who want us to stop meddling are almost always Republicans, you know...

6:40 PM  
Blogger andy goodliff said...

Both candidates are as bad as each other, if the thing on channel 4 i watched on monday night is to be believed. bush's "christianity" resembles little of the christianity i know and believe. kerry is of course much more liberal, and although voting numerous times against guns, has said during the run-up to election to be favour of them, simply to get votes - how could i vote for someone who believes one thing, but does something else. Blair and Howard are not this bad, or i'm not sure british polltics is this bad, is it? - I hope not?

11:48 PM  
Blogger postliberal said...

Oh I fear I may be with Martin in that, though it’s not so colourful and cartoonish over here, the state of things is pretty bad. We have our own equivalents over here - the marketisation of everything that moves springs to mind as a given in a lot of discourse these days. Where is a Christian challenge to this, where is any real debate from principles? It’s the ultimate pragmatism. But the alternative we’re presented with is resolution which will not change even when the route is proving to be wrong. A rather scary two alternatives!

12:50 AM  
Blogger ash said...

of course, we are not limited to blair and howard... i think the Liberal Democrates will get progressively more popular... perhaps not out of merit but out of not being labour or tories... (regrettably, Kennedy has seeminly gone slightly mad this time round, but he's still okay).

well it seems Bush is now in after Kerry conceding a little while ago. a big shame. as i wrote to the BBC, we can look forward to a planet that gets ever more abused and destroyed, by weaponry, famine and pollution; and the rest of the world can live safe in the knowledge that the most powerful man on earth is not only a greedy ethically challenged egomaniac, but also has the intellect of a blueberry scone. God save us all.

5:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A pre-election comment from a prominent moral philosopher Andy Goodliff would probably appreciate:

The Only Vote Worth Casting in November--RobertB

7:32 PM  
Blogger andy goodliff said...

MacIntyre is very cool, not sure how you found that article, but I do indeed find much agreement with it. I'm not sure I would have voted if I was an American. I think I would have felt betrayed by both candidates and their entire lack of integrity and simple opposition to most of the policies they were advocating.

It will be very interesting to see what Bush does next - as another blogger I read said, "God shouter louder - the man from Texas needs to hear you!"

10:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm prepared to admit being a MacIntyre fan. But I found that article quite by chance linked from Andrew Brown's blog this morning.

(Though I don't think he makes enough of an explicit case in that article for not voting, rather than voting for a third `unelectable' candidate; I can perhaps imagine such a case being made - eg. by voting, even for a third party, you implicitly support the electoral system which presents one with adversarial two-party politics - but I'm left unsure whether or not MacIntyre is actually trying to make it.)


3:04 AM  
Blogger postliberal said...

As someone who would, if a USA citizen, have advocated voting for the unsatisfactory John Kerry simply to get George Bush & Dick Cheney and thier band of thugs out, I found the article sensibley put. Maybe there're lessons to reflect on urgently as we approach a likely general election over here soon...

12:13 AM  
Blogger draven said...

"God help us all" indeed.

7:35 PM  

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