tag : bright yellow-green apples: visions of God (a) immanence

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004

visions of God (a) immanence

Example

figure 15.7. what’s that touching you?

There’re some interesting theological considerations to be found over on Andy’s blue chicken site. I’d like to pull out one strand for now, and use it for my own ends. Then maybe do a sequel or two afterwards that more fairly redress balances (which is only right, as Andy’s thoughts are superbly balanced):

“In today's day and age, the very mystery of God is what is so vital in our pluralist age. If we think we know God like we know our cat or our next door neighbour, then of course we will vaunt our religion over another. But the less God becomes knowable by mind alone, the more inclined we are to respond well to the visions of God in other religions.”

The immanent human God can be equally latent with potential, I reckon, for helping to heal some of humanity’s difficulties. Personal God can so easily be a projection, and thus a buttress for status quo, or an advocate of injustice. But equally, a transcendent God, wholly mystery, can be just as complicit. If we head towards some form of deism, losing pathos along the way, then divine concern can be lost along the way. It might even become a new expression the benign but useless deism of far off, or the cultic religion that the Hebrew prophets furiously railed against. Personal God can be terrifying, but can also be utterly part of our lives of pain and struggle, love and joy, as well as edgy and challenging of inhumanity. Maybe Jesus Christ is the ultimate vision of the God of time, so far involved as to die like us. This pathos, an archetype and inspiring mover of human love that crosses boundaries like the temple curtain torn in two, is what a push towards transcendence can lose.

7 Comments:

Blogger Andy said...

Jesus was always what kept me attached to the Christian revelation when I felt more comfortable with New Age thought or even Hindu philosophy. Jesus presents us with the most personal God and also the most wonderful mysteries. He unites practical and simple faith with a mystical revelation of the connection between God and man.

11:20 AM  
Blogger postliberal said...

For a long while I resisted the idea of him being a mystical locus, maybe I was just drawn to a rationality which left no place for 'other' God in human. I suppose we just need to be a little more open to poetic tension in all things...

12:45 AM  
Blogger Brasil66 said...

Man has made him a "mystical locus", cool phrase. However, he then becomes a simple talisman, worn around the soul to ward off reasoned viewpoints and thoughtful positions. No room still, for seeing with the fullness of humanity, when the magician in the sky has denied the revenue stream of reality to take precedence. Trees? Rocks? I stub my toe.

3:28 AM  
Blogger postliberal said...

"Man has made him a "mystical locus", cool phrase. However, he then becomes a simple talisman, worn around the soul to ward off reasoned viewpoints and thoughtful positions. No room still, for seeing with the fullness of humanity, when the magician in the sky has denied the revenue stream of reality to take precedence. Trees? Rocks? I stub my toe."

Yeah, he can become a banner for stunting of the mind, through unconcious default or deliberate will. But. At best, making him a mystical locus then inspires people in going on to find a mystical locus in every other person around us, and further into all of what might be called 'creation'. It's about finding the potential in humanity to live in the light of the divine, to find the light in humanity, rather that simply as an end in itself. As the story goes in my eyes, God became one us us for restoration in mutual empathy not to tell us we are bad people and should feel guilty.

4:12 PM  
Blogger Brasil66 said...

Larry, your grammar, spelling, syntax and punctuation, is atrocious. There could well be an entrance exam in English at the gates of Hell, don't fail!

1:03 AM  
Blogger camille said...

ah yes, boys, continuing in our journeys
the mystical locus
a popular idea - the idea of brahma perhaps
do we create it or is it god's doing?
perhaps it's just jungian
there is no definitive
just an absolute need or should i say craving for belonging to the species...a need to connect
it would be a mistake to limit such a limitless idea, don't you think?
i'm rather intrigued/perplexed at the concept that it is infused by a higher power..what is more human than the need to connect on every possible level...perhaps because that need is so deep it becomes something outside ourselves and hence, we're back to the divine
kind of like a mystical/divine cat and mouse game
i too tend to look at something outside...perhaps i can't believe such power could actually be enveloped by my mere humanity
but then again...as they say, many drops in the ocean...

5:44 AM  
Blogger postliberal said...

Don't worry about my command of the language quite yet - it could just be that i do it on purpose you know. Just possibley, withing the elms of possibility. Call it pretentious.

12:38 PM  

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